I have to admit you amaze me. After being banned from posting in the Fence threads at Farpoint Forums, you still have this need to post anyway. You also ignored my reply to you to your last post on this website informing you that you are banned here as well.

I did delete your post, but then I recovered it because I felt your post really illustrated my point.

First, a few comments about your post…

You are INCORRECT about Bush dropping the case:

“The Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing them in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a “deadly weapon” near a polling place until 2012. The department boasted that justice had been served.

But Adams, the former administration lawyer, accused the Justice Department of not continuing the case for political and racial reasons.

Adams called the case “a slam dunk,” telling Fox News that “nobody thought there was any doubt that this was the clearest case of voter intimidation that I’ve seen since I’ve been practicing law.”

Before you scream Fox News or Conservative bias…. Here is a comment from a Democrat who is a poll watcher:

“But Bartle Bull, who was a poll watcher in Philadelphia in 2008, doesn’t buy the Justice Department denials.

“I find it deeply offensive,” Bull said. “I know people who died over these issues, like Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. If we can’t defend their legacy, it’s shameful to us and this administration.”

Bull is a prominent New York Democrat and longtime political adviser. He was Robert F. Kennedy’s New York campaign manager, went to the south in the 1960s to protect the voting rights of black voters and just came back from Afghanistan where he traveled with the troops.

He says the administration’s actions amount to protecting the New Black Panthers.

“If Americans can’t vote honestly, and the government doesn’t protect their right to vote, we don’t live in a democracy. Last year Obama complained when the government in Afghanistan did not run the election properly. What about Pennsylvania?” he said, claiming the president “violated his oath of office.”

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You noted that Breitbart was “sitting on the video.” For how long? 20 years? I don’t think so. I don’t deny that he could have been the one to edit, but we still don’t know how much of the actual speech he received. This also doesn’t let the Administration off the hook for sacking Sherrod so fast without giving her a chance to explain herself.

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You are falling into the same trap as many on the left does in trying to explain the Tea Party. Mark Williams is NOT a prominent member of the Tea Party. He was a leader in the Tea Party Express. There is a big difference if you actually take the time and research the Tea Party.

I will give you the quick 101. Back in 1980, Reagan was elected president. He received support from all three wings of the Republican Party: the Social Conservatives, Neo-Cons and the Libertarian wings. (I use the word “Libertarian” loosely here… Libertarian Leaning might be a better term.)

Also during the 1980 election, a marriage between the Social Conservatives and Neo-Cons happened. They gradually over time started forcing the Libertarian wing out.

This union was disrupted in 2008. Ron Paul’s campaign woke up the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. I will concede they are not a majority, but they started to get better organized.

The Tea Party’s greatest strength is also it’s biggest weakness. They are very localized group with many factions. The Tea Party Express was an attempt by the establishment Republicans (Mostly Social Conservatives and Neo-Cons) to gain control of the movement. However, the other camp of the Tea Party is the more Libertarian leaning supporters of Ron Paul.

There is a faction that follows Sarah Palin and a faction that follows Ron Paul. These factions actually disagree on many things, but they do agree that the country needs to take a more Fiscal Conservative approach than the big government spending that happened both under Bush and now Obama.

Interesting stat… 1 out of 5 Tea Party members actually voted for Obama. There is projection that Tea Party Members have only been going after Democrats. This isn’t true. They have also went after Republicans as well.. I know they booed off stage Gov. Rick Perry, Senator Cornyn and Senator Graham.

There mood is also being reflected in Democratic Primaries… If you are perceived as an “establishment” candidate then you are in a rough go during this election.

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Since this post about taking things in context, lets take another point you made. You said, “like he never listens to Republican ideas; a flat out lie, just look at how many Rs there are next to amendments in the Health Care bill”

Well, here is what Politifact had to say on the subject–

FIRST they quoted Don Stewart:

“Don Stewart, a spokesman for Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, said 132 of the 159 were for “technical amendments” and that it was a misnomer to call them proof of bipartisanship.

None of the Republicans’ priorities have gotten any traction, he said: Tort reform, equalizing the tax code, reducing the proposed cuts to Medicare spending, and scrapping the proposed “public option.”

In fact, he said, only one big-picture Republican issue seems to have gotten the attention of the Democratic majority: creating incentives for wellness, such as cutting insurance costs for people who exercise or don’t smoke. ”

SECOND, Politifact’s conclusion:

“When Obama said the health plan incorporated ideas from Democrats and Republicans, we think he grossly overstated the bipartisanship of the process to date. Both sides claim the other party is to blame for that, an issue that we will not wade into here. However, we note that none of the plans that have graduated from congressional committees have received a single Republican vote. Yes, Congress adopted dozens of the amendments proposed by Republicans, but we couldn’t find any that dramatically altered the plan. Still, to the extent there were at least some, we give Obama’s statement a Barely True. ”

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Arkle,

I really do appreciate your passion. I do feel that more Americans need to get passionate. However, I do feel you have let your blind you. I’m sure that the when the Neo-Cons drank the Bush Kool-Aid that drove you nuts. (It did me as well)

However in doing so, you have become what you most despised. Someone who is so rigid in their views that they can’t see the whole picture. You are a Neo-Lib. I will admit there is a lot to bash within the right wing, but also within the left wing. However, you don’t see that.

I will give you one piece of advice which I doubt you will follow. Study the history of banking…

FINALLY,

With support of the owner of Farpoint Forums, I banned you from posting in the Fence Threads there. I told you in my last comment to you that you were banned from here as well. Going on record… More comments from you here will be deleted.

It was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case, and there were only like, two or three of them, in a district that was going to go to Obama anyway. In other words, it’s a non-controversy.

“2) Who edited the speech? The bloggers or the “person” who gave them the video?”

Occam’s Razor: Breitbart claims he’d been “sitting on the video,” and “only asked for the relevant parts.” Breitbart eitehr edited it himself, or his friend did.

Also, was it really wise to defend the Tea Party as not racist after one of it’s most prominent leaders got forced out for his “Letter to President Lincoln?”

This was a Right Wing smear job that Obama, forgetting that bipartisansip is supposed to be a means to an end, not an end unto itself, fell for, just like with ACORN. Not that this will stop the Right from acting like he never listens to Republican ideas; a flat out lie, just look at how many Rs there are next to amendments in the Health Care bill, or the Secretary of Transportation, or Secretary of Defense, or telling supporters in the 2008 campaign not to boo McCain.

Show me where in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution where the Federal Government has the authority? Liberals will argue that either the Commerce Clause or the General Welfare Clause gives them the authority.

However, the writings of the Founders like Jefferson and Madison doesn’t support this view. Madison actually vetoed a bill he liked because he viewed it to be Unconstitutional. Members of Congress asked him about both these clauses and he rejected both of them. The bill? The Federal Government was to build roads and canals. Considering that Historians refer to Madison as the “Father of the Constitution”, I think he has a better understanding of the document than virtually any Supreme Court Justice appointed since FDR.

I have always argued that if Liberals really wanted Health Care, they need to pass a Constitutional Amendment giving the government the authority to do so. However, they know they would never get the number of states to approve it, so they pass it as a law and see if the Supreme Court rules on it or not.

This has been a problem on both sides, Conservative and Liberal since 1913. (If not earlier) When they are out of power, they scream about the Unconstitutional things the party in power is doing, and then, don’t do anything about it once they are in power, and even then continue to abuse the Constitution themselves.

Also Arkle, You complain about Right Wringers can’t argue honestly.. I would strongly recommend you look in the mirror yourself. Also, those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, I think that also applies in your case.

Also, let me state for the record, on the shows or in my posts, I never denied my strong Libertarian leanings. The early shows of the podcast were done while President Bush was still in office. Ragman and I were just as critical of him as we are now towards President Obama.

Again, I do find you amazing in one aspect. I banned you from the View Forums on Farpoint Forums. You ignored the ban and I was forced to delete your posts, and told you that I would continue to do so. The owner of the forum backed me in this decision. You do seem obsessed to comment on the show even after the ban, so you felt compelled to do so here. Personally if the moderator of a forum asked me to leave, I would do so and not follow him to other venues. Honestly, I do find your actions a bit pathetic. So who is the nutjob here?

For the record on the Farpoint Forums, I did ban two people from posting. Considering, one was the most liberal and the other the most conservative, I would suggest that means I am doing my job.

BTW.. Consider yourself banned here as well.

* And watch as the response to that is that I called ALL Obama critics racist. because Right Wingers are incapable of arguing honestly. Sorta like what they did to President Carter when he commented about SOME of the protestors being racist, RWNJs went on Fox and CNN and MSNBC and claimed he said ALL of them were. And they got away with it too. odd, you’d think the “Liberal media” wouldn’t let something like that slide. oh wait, the Liberal media bias thing is a myth, I almost forgot.

Thanks for the comments.

I do wonder if you have attended a Tea Party?

Well, I have.

There was Tea Party demonstrations across the country around July 4th. Yes, there was a lot Anti-Obama posters and the Democratic leadership. I can honestly say that none that I saw I would say were racist. (Albeit, not very flattering either.)

So I will assume what coverage you saw was from the media. Earlier in the year, I posted three videos involving CNN’s Susan Roesgen. In one, she covers a liberal protest rally where she is friendly like she is having coffee with her best friend. Another one, she covered the tea party in Chicago on tax day. She was very combative with the people who were attending. The last one, she was filmed by a third party while being chastised by an attendee saying her report to CNN was biased.

I will concede FOX is no different. If FOX sends a reporter out to some Liberal event, they will interview the hippie dude who did way too much LSD in his youth. Hardly, a person that a Liberal would want as their spokesperson. MSNBC will grab a redneck who probably can’t count to 10. This is one of the points I was trying to make in the post.

You, yourself conceded that the Joker picture isn’t racist. However, MSNBC and CNN spent days telling the American Public that it is.

Again, what I am seeing is the Neo-Libs are calling anyone who are Anti-Obama racists. I see it in the news, blogs and many forums. Do I think everyone who are Obama supporters are Neo-Libs? No, I don’t.

Yes, I will not deny that there are racists in the country who can’t stand we have a black president. However, I can also say Janeane Garofalo is off base saying that every Tea Party Attendee are as well.

From my point of view, I see no difference between the Neo-Libs calling people racists and the Neo-Cons calling everyone who didn’t support Bush’s policies UnAmerican.